Comments on: A Politics that Works in the 21st Century http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/ Politics for Real People Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:33:26 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Cognitive Policy Works » How to Destroy the Government in Three Easy Steps http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-226 Cognitive Policy Works » How to Destroy the Government in Three Easy Steps Wed, 20 May 2009 23:59:40 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-226 [...] 3: Not satisfied with this strategy? Maybe you’ll want to build a different kind of politics that works in another [...] [...] 3: Not satisfied with this strategy? Maybe you’ll want to build a different kind of politics that works in another [...]

]]> By: Joe Brewer http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-212 Joe Brewer Mon, 04 May 2009 19:16:22 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-212 Hi koot, I agree that we need to collectively intervene and we need to do it soon. My sense of urgency to begin this organization and attract like-minded people comes from the unfolding of global events that tells me to start taking action... and help others to do so. Best, Joe Hi koot,

I agree that we need to collectively intervene and we need to do it soon. My sense of urgency to begin this organization and attract like-minded people comes from the unfolding of global events that tells me to start taking action… and help others to do so.

Best,

Joe

]]> By: koot http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-211 koot Mon, 04 May 2009 18:26:55 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-211 I may have said this before on this site. The Obama Administration is like a man trying to repair a car that has crashed. Whether or not the repair is sucessful, the car is being driven by alcholics who will go careening off after their next high, and will crash the car again as they have done in the past. The opportunity for an intervention is at hand. I may have said this before on this site.
The Obama Administration is like a man trying to repair a car that has crashed. Whether or not the repair is sucessful, the car is being driven by alcholics who will go careening off after their next high, and will crash the car again as they have done in the past. The opportunity for an intervention is at hand.

]]> By: sariade http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-190 sariade Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:21:26 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-190 Hi Joe, Please accept my apologies for addressing you as "Jim". Brain-freeze :( I hope you will check out the site. Keep up the good work. Hi Joe,
Please accept my apologies for addressing you as “Jim”. Brain-freeze :(

I hope you will check out the site.
Keep up the good work.

]]> By: sariade http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-189 sariade Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:09:53 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-189 Hello Jim, While this is an excellent beginning, there is natural "blindspot" to your logic that needs addressing. You make the fatal assumption that all the individuals in this new politics will be a motivated and well-meaning as yourself. There is no taking into account the reality of the sub-clinical pschopathic personality, the non-violent 'snakes in suits' that currently infest the coroporate and government structures we suffer under. Until the majority of the population have a firm grasp of the reality of these individuals and are adept at recognizing them before they are in a position to cause another Enron or Iraq, any attempt to bring about the sort of change you hope for is doomed to failure. History is littered with examples of shining vision twisted and debased to horrific reality. A good start would be the works of Robert Hare and Martha Stout. But for a real survey of how psychopathy corrupts the body politic, your best bet is Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil by Dr. Andrew Lobaczewski. He and his fellow researchers secretly studied the pathology of Stalinism in Russia and Poland at the height of its power. It addresses for example, many of the concerns raised by Ms. Kline in her comments, such as sloganeering and the (deliberate) debasement of language. Sobering reading, but essential. Research is showing that psychopathy has a strong genetic component, so in one sense "they will always be with us". But just as one avoids lions and poisenous snakes because we know about them, so will education about this dangerous sub-group of humanity give us the ability to defend ourselves. Read more here: www.ponerology.com Hello Jim,
While this is an excellent beginning, there is natural “blindspot” to your logic that needs addressing. You make the fatal assumption that all the individuals in this new politics will be a motivated and well-meaning as yourself. There is no taking into account the reality of the sub-clinical pschopathic personality, the non-violent ’snakes in suits’ that currently infest the coroporate and government structures we suffer under. Until the majority of the population have a firm grasp of the reality of these individuals and are adept at recognizing them before they are in a position to cause another Enron or Iraq, any attempt to bring about the sort of change you hope for is doomed to failure. History is littered with examples of shining vision twisted and debased to horrific reality. A good start would be the works of Robert Hare and Martha Stout. But for a real survey of how psychopathy corrupts the body politic, your best bet is Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil by Dr. Andrew Lobaczewski. He and his fellow researchers secretly studied the pathology of Stalinism in Russia and Poland at the height of its power. It addresses for example, many of the concerns raised by Ms. Kline in her comments, such as sloganeering and the (deliberate) debasement of language. Sobering reading, but essential. Research is showing that psychopathy has a strong genetic component, so in one sense “they will always be with us”. But just as one avoids lions and poisenous snakes because we know about them, so will education about this dangerous sub-group of humanity give us the ability to defend ourselves. Read more here: http://www.ponerology.com

]]> By: Soft Warcraft / How to Destroy the Government in 3 Easy Steps http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-187 Soft Warcraft / How to Destroy the Government in 3 Easy Steps Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:55:48 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-187 [...] 3: Not satisfied with this strategy? Maybe you’ll want to build a different kind of politics that works in another [...] [...] 3: Not satisfied with this strategy? Maybe you’ll want to build a different kind of politics that works in another [...]

]]> By: Jimw http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-181 Jimw Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:41:36 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-181 I don't believe I characterized your work as merely positive thinking. I said that no amount of positive thinking would affect matters without first changing the underlying money system. I don’t believe I characterized your work as merely positive thinking. I said that no amount of positive thinking would affect matters without first changing the underlying money system.

]]> By: Joe Brewer http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-177 Joe Brewer Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:41:50 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-177 Hi Jim, I agree with you that we need to change the basis of our monetary system. I recommend that anyone following this discussion watch the video <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279" rel="nofollow">Money as Debt</a> to get a sense of how our monetary system currently operates. But I don't see the work we do at <em>Cognitive Policy Works</em> as merely being "positive thinking." We are doing much more than wishing some future into existence. Our goal is to help people understand their own minds so that they can be more effective and strategic in their thinking. Best, Joe Hi Jim,

I agree with you that we need to change the basis of our monetary system. I recommend that anyone following this discussion watch the video Money as Debt to get a sense of how our monetary system currently operates.

But I don’t see the work we do at Cognitive Policy Works as merely being “positive thinking.” We are doing much more than wishing some future into existence. Our goal is to help people understand their own minds so that they can be more effective and strategic in their thinking.

Best,

Joe

]]> By: Jimw http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-175 Jimw Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:32:54 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-175 The foundation of our politics is that it is driven by money: "follow the money," as the saying goes. A glance at Obama's cabinet is revealing in this respect: basically a Goldman Sachs musical chairs scenario. The foundation of money in this culture is debt. All money issued today is debt money. Money, as it is issued, demands interest. Thus absolutely everything in this culture, and thus in its politics, is affected by the law of compound interest. Now, production can never keep up with the law of compound interest operating with the interest rates. Hence the crazy-necessary imperative of ceaseless growth. Nowaday, the entire world is in thrall to compound interest. You will never change anything durably here until you change the way money works. And given a well-nigh absolute ignorance of the matter, on the one hand, and the unlikelihood that they would ever easily give-up this power on the part of those who possess the money power, the prospects don't look too brilliant for our country, or for that matter for most of the world. And no amount of "positive thinking" will change the reality: first you have to change the way the money works. The foundation of our politics is that it is driven by money: “follow the money,” as the saying goes. A glance at Obama’s cabinet is revealing in this respect: basically a Goldman Sachs musical chairs scenario.

The foundation of money in this culture is debt. All money issued today is debt money. Money, as it is issued, demands interest. Thus absolutely everything in this culture, and thus in its politics, is affected by the law of compound interest. Now, production can never keep up with the law of compound interest operating with the interest rates. Hence the crazy-necessary imperative of ceaseless growth. Nowaday, the entire world is in thrall to compound interest. You will never change anything durably here until you change the way money works. And given a well-nigh absolute ignorance of the matter, on the one hand, and the unlikelihood that they would ever easily give-up this power on the part of those who possess the money power, the prospects don’t look too brilliant for our country, or for that matter for most of the world. And no amount of “positive thinking” will change the reality: first you have to change the way the money works.

]]> By: How To Destroy the Government in Three Easy Steps. By Joe Brewer « Kanan48 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/2009/03/13/a-politics-that-works-in-the-21st-century/#comment-173 How To Destroy the Government in Three Easy Steps. By Joe Brewer « Kanan48 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:33:20 +0000 http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/?p=572#comment-173 [...] 3: Not satisfied with this strategy? Maybe you’ll want to build a different kind of politics that works in another [...] [...] 3: Not satisfied with this strategy? Maybe you’ll want to build a different kind of politics that works in another [...]

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